Bleacher Report released their 50 best NBA players of all time

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ShawnBradley
ShawnBradley

It blows my mind that there are people who think KG is better than Dirk

fifteenth
fifteenth

Hakeem > Robinson and Dirk > KG

Dalton Trigg
Dalton Trigg

Editor

BR is determined to put KG ahead of Dirk, but I just can't do it. Not after what Dirk did to KG in head-to-heads. As GREAT of a defender as KG was throughout his career, he couldn't do anything to stop Dirk. I love that Dirk is ranked 4 spots ahead of D-Wade on this list, though.

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Malaka1
Malaka1

All you have to do is revisit their h2h matchups. Dirk belongs above KG on this list

TheIGT
TheIGT

I saw Dwayne Wade block Dirk’s shot once in the all star game, that means he should be higher than Dirk on the list. See how ridiculous that sounds?

Dalton Trigg
Dalton Trigg

Editor

You’re right, that does sound ridiculous. “Blocking a shot in the all star game” is a completely different analogy that doesn’t apply here. We’re talking all-time head-to-head between Dirk/KG.

TheIGT
TheIGT

We're not talking all time head to head here, we're talking about 2 careers, and who had a better one.

The reason I brought up D-Wade and his block was because of sample size.

KG had a 1462 Regular Season games + 143 Playoff games = 1605 game career. You want to boil that career down to the roughly 42 possible WC Regular Season games + 15 possible EC Regular Season games + (I don't remember them ever playing each other in the playoffs so I'll say 0) = 57 possible games (without doing the research, I don't know if any of those possible games were when one or the other was injured)?

Maybe the head-to-head has a very small blurb at the end of the analysis, but it is not the factor you're making it out to be. Not when talking about both being MVPs, one being a DPoY. One having 14 All Star appearances, the other having 15. One getting 12 All-League honors the other getting 22. Both having a Championship, but one of those had the single greatest playoff run in the history of the game (and I don't agree with you that KG was the 3rd best player in his title run, he scored more points in that run than the other two and was clearly the better defender of the 3). One completely changed the game for the future of bigs.

Those are the biggest factors in this debate and you want to talk about head-to-head? When I look at those factors, I can see why people would put KG ahead of Dirk, I can also see the opposite. I myself think the last 2 accomplishments for Dirk (playoff run and changing the game) are what push Dirk over KG.

In any case, they are really close (BR has them both one right after the other in both lists) and it's nothing to get bent out of shape about.

P.S. I don't know why BR didn't have Tim Duncan on this list, he was a PF more than he was a C throughout his career (esp starting).

P.P.S. I fully agree with Fifteenth, Hakeem was a lot better than Robinson IMO, and after Dirk, they are #2 and #3 in my favs.

TheIGT
TheIGT

Edit (since I tried and STILL couldn't edit): Also, I know somewhere in the middle and throughout there was pretty much Dirk domination, but I can't believe in the beginning of his career that was the case, so IMO (without doing the research that I will not do) that 57 # is smaller than 57.

TheIGT
TheIGT

Just found this:

They played a total of 40 games against each other. Even smaller of a sample size. When you look at the average stats between them for all games played head-to-head, domination is in no way the word I'd use to describe it.

Dalton Trigg
Dalton Trigg

Editor

They did in fact meet in the 2002 WC playoffs. Mavs swept the Wolves and Dirk took it to KG. There’s more here if you’d like to check it out.

TheIGT
TheIGT

Yep, I saw that in the link I sent you. So are you now saying because of 3 games in a career, there's no question that Dirk should be named the better player?

TheIGT
TheIGT

We're getting closer to that single block by D-Wade in the all star game.

Dalton Trigg
Dalton Trigg

Editor

What this all comes down to is that I believe Dirk, based on all the career stats I’ve seen and all the games of those two playing against each other that I’ve seen, is better than KG. It’s perfectly fine if you disagree, but my opinion hasn’t and won’t change. Both are all-time greats and will be first ballot HOF.

TheIGT
TheIGT

I’ve got to apologize, I’m lumping you in with the guys who are saying “all you have to do is look at their head to head” and “it blows my mind that anyone would put KG above Dirk”. And been debating you as if you have that opinion as well. It’s not the snowball starters fault the others keep it rolling and making it bigger. Anyway, good way to kill some time in the deadest part of the year.

TheIGT
TheIGT

If you would answer me this question? What do you think the head to head would look like if Dirk guarded KG making it a true head to head?

SkenFromLMF
SkenFromLMF

one on one kg is a better all around athlete. (better ball handler and defender) Head to head Dirk is the better basketball player. He is certainly the more team, as in makes players around him better, friendly player. Which why his Championship stands out among the super teams of his day.

TheIGT
TheIGT

Better all around athlete or basketball player? Cause I think KG is most definitely the better all around basketball player. Dirk is just so much better on offense that he makes up the difference on defense. The question these lists ask isn't who is better head to head, it's who had the better career. Head to head can't play much into the career question cause most of the guys on the list never played against each other.

The all around player is the reason why I started into this discussion. To many people want to discount the defensive side of the ball when comparing these two.