Q&A with Stephen Madden, author of Embrace the Suck
I’ve long wanted to try CrossFit, but can now keep putting it off for awhile. Steve Madden has taken the journey for me, and all other readers of his new memoir, Embrace The Suck: What I Learned At The Box About Hard Work, (VERY) Sore Muscles, and Burpees Before Sunrise.
What could have been a superficial treatment is surprisingly personal and compelling. Madden writes about being a chunky boy, and how pushing through the pain and finishing the WOD—CrossFit argot for Workout of the Day—helped him conquer his feelings of athletic inadequacy. Well, maybe not so much conquer as—to use the verb from his title—embrace. He comes to accept, “after a lifetime of beating myself up, that when it came to a realm of human activity in which I had always wanted to excel, I was perfectly subpar, and that the joy and reward were coming from the perseverance and pleasure of the movement, not measuring myself against everybody else.”
Of course he still compulsively measures himself against everybody else. We all do. The point is, Madden’s epiphanies are genuine, and well rendered in this book. He’s the genial smart-ass from Dorchester, Mass., who doesn’t suffer fools, and makes excellent company for this brisk read. He may be subpar as an athlete. He’s far, far above that as a writer.
Edge: You were the editor-in-chief at Bicycling magazine for seven years, and describe yourself as kind of a diesel on the bike. What was the appeal of CrossFit?
Stephen Madden: It was a way to beat the guys on my ride at something. You know how those group rides are with middle-age men. Even a coffee shop ride turns into a race. And I was aggressively mediocre at it. One winter I busted my ass, getting in shape on the trainer, and the best I could do was to be, to borrow a friend’s phrase, “The fastest of the slow guys.” I wanted to be the slowest of the fast guys.
Edge: You write a little about first getting into CrossFit, then having a lot of extra pop when you got back on the bike. What happened?
Madden: So, the first winter that my wife and I really went after it with CrossFit, I wasn’t riding rollers or a trainer or anything else—just getting into CrossFit. And I went out for a ride in March, thinking, “I’m gonna get spanked here because I haven’t been on the bike at all.” It was probably close to a 40-mile ride, and I was completely able to hang, and was just sort of dumbfounded.
Madden: The whole thing about CrossFit is, it’s trying to get you ready for real life, to perform functional movements. Think about when you ever just sit and do something that simulates a curl. Maybe if you’re in a German beer hall. Building up that single muscle isn’t going to help you do something you’re faced with in the real world. You’re not gonna see the same benefit.
SI Edge: In sharing your personal journey, you recount your boyhood, growing up with five siblings in Dorchester. While you eventually metamorphosed into a fairly accomplished athlete, you were, in the beginning, the slow, fat kid—and occasionally still thought of yourself that way, into adulthood. Did your CrossFit journey help you banish those feelings of athletic inadequacy—your inner fat kid?
Madden: When you carry something like that around, I don’t think you ever completely get it off your back. But it’s not as much a life-and-death thing to me now, as it was when I started. I’ll see how the Hatfield brothers respond to the book.
SI Edge: The Hatfields were the boys in the ’hood who excelled at everything. We all grew up envying—and trailing behind—various versions of the Hatfields.
Madden: I’ve ridden [bikes] with Bobby Hatfield before, and we’ve talked about all this stuff, and he just says, “You’re crazy, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t remember this stuff at all.”
But yeah, I think [the inner fat kid/those feelings of inadequacy] are pretty much slain, at this point.
SI Edge: Budding talked about why, to quote you, “going hard all the time leads to improved fitness.” It seems like the emphasis and culture of CrossFit is pretty aggro, not as forgiving, or open to the idea of recovery days. Are you listening to your body, or are you telling it to shut up and finish the WOD?
Madden: They say three days on, one day off, and if you can do that, that’s fine. But if you go into CrossFit Journal, you’ll see reams of entries about resting and recovery. I can’t honestly say that they would disagree with us taking a couple days off around Thanksgiving. All I know is what works for me. You gotta know your body, especially as you get older.
SI Edge: Speaking of Thanksgiving, you write about embarking on a Paleo diet, in concert with the CrossFit. Where did you leave it? Are you sort of on a modified Paleo plan. Were you miserable on Thanksgiving?
Madden: I’d say that I’m pretty Paleo. But when it comes to Thanksgiving, when there’s stuffing and pie being served, I’m going to eat it. When there’s Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale to drink, I’m gonna drink it. But on the whole, I’m pretty Paleo. If you do it 100 percent of the time, you get staggering results. But doing it 100 percent of the time will make you nuts.
Having said that, I just put three duck legs in the oven. That’s pretty Paleo.
Madden: I bought them at the supermarket.
SI Edge: Your book is dedicated to, and I quote, “my mother, Winifred Elizabeth Shannon Madden, who always knew I could.” She emerges as a cool character in the book. She ate Paleo before people knew what that was. She was ahead of her time.
Madden: As I say in the book, Mom was a bad-ass. She was way ahead of her time. She and her dad were big—well, now you’d call them open water swimmers, but when they did it, they were just going for a swim … for a couple miles in Boston Harbor, or off the beach in New Hampshire.
SI Edge: She was an advocate for you, and your involvement in sports, when your father seemed opposed—because it was too much effort, or money.
Madden: There was a lot of tension between her and my Dad about sports. When it came around to me—I’m the youngest of six—she just told him, “You had your way with the other five, I’m raising this one my way.” That meant like, playing hockey and going to bike races. She encouraged me to do everything, where my dad not only didn’t encourage it, in some respects actively discouraged it. And a big part of the book is me deciding who I was gonna listen to.SI Edge: This book features some of the most elevated, and erudite writing about exercise-induced throwing up in the history of literature. Here again, I’m getting the impression that CrossFit is a celebration of suffering.
Madden: Yeah, there’s a line in there: “I’m a puker from way back.” It’s got something to do with anaerobia. I never puked on the bike, and I never puked swimming. In high school, my rep was basically, Yeah, Madden will run a 51-second 440, then he’ll be under the bleachers puking, but he’ll recover in time for the relay.
It’s happened a few times at CrossFit. It hasn’t happened so much lately, because I’ve figured a few things out. Like, be smart about it. Don’t eat the corned beef hash with two poached eggs before you go.
Or also just, like the workout we did this morning, ask yourself: How do I pace myself such that I get a good time and a good workout, but that I don’t hurl? It’s just learning to do that.
SI Edge: I admired your willingness to put yourself in situations where you might be one of the older, slower guys in the group, and accepting that, rather than being discouraged by it. Such as the chapter on the 20X, which starts with some ex-Navy Seal asking you if you want to quit, you having just ralphed your guts up. Riff a little on that day.
Madden: So yeah, that the hardest one-day thing I’ve ever done. It was 14 hours, and it was essentially three WODs, in one day, and in between we were busy doing other stuff that was physical. It was all designed to show, that you can do it, if you just chip away at stuff. You can do anything.
SI Edge: One of the WODs was something called a Murph. You were working with Navy Seals who had known the guy the workout was named after. Who was he?
Madden: A Murph is a hero WOD—those are workouts named for guys who died in the line of military, or police or fire service. [Michael P. Murphy was a Navy Seal lieutenant who was killed in Afghanistan in 2005.] He’s the guy in Lone Survivor who voluntarily exposed himself to near-certain death in order to acquire a radio signal to call in and ask for help. Because of that, the workout is almost like a sacrament to these guys, especially the ones who had known him. They take it very, very seriously, and demonstrate that by making sure you don’t f--- off during the workout—that you give it everything that you have. The workout itself is: you run a mile, you do a hundred pull-ups, 200 pushups and 300 air squats, then you run another mile. You’re strongly encouraged to try Murph Heavy, which is doing the workout in a 20-pound weight vest.
SI Edge: People I talk to who don’t want to try CrossFit don’t want to try it because they’ve heard it’s easy to get hurt. What’s your protection against injury in CrossFit?
The times I’ve seen people get injured, it’s when they don’t do the exercise right to begin with. Some of the guys I started this whole thing with were willfully ignorant of their form, until they got injured, and then had come-to-Jesus moments making sure their form was right, and not worrying about how much weight they were throwing on. If you do all the other stuff right, the weight will come.
SI Edge: In your Facebook profile picture, you’re working out with a 45-pound bar, which I respect. It sends a good message.
Madden: When I posted that, a friend messaged, “Hey Hulkster, that’s a 45-pound bar.” And I wrote back to him, ‘Yeah, but I’d just lifted it 210 times. I was doing a ladder. Forty-five pounds gets pretty heavy really f------ fast.”
SI Edge: You’ve scheduled an Embrace The Suck Workout at The Annex, your home box in Chatham, N.J. What will it entail?
Madden: As many rounds as possible in 15 minutes of 10 thrusters, 15 burpees and 20 double-unders.
SI Edge: I recall you inveighing, in particular, against burpees in the book. Aren’t those all genuinely difficult movements that you hated?
Madden: Yeah, that’s the point. They all suck.