How Close are the Cleveland Cavaliers to the Pacers and Thunder?

Follow along with the Cleveland Cavaliers during the offseason by listening to the latest episode of the Courtside with the Cavs on SI podcast

Apr 23, 2025; Cleveland, Ohio, USA; Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Kenny Atkinson reacts in the first quarter of game two of the first round of the 2025 NBA Playoffs against the Miami Heat at Rocket Arena. Mandatory Credit: David Richard-Imagn Images | David Richard-Imagn Images

The Cleveland Cavaliers are watching the NBA Finals from home, but they're no strangers to witnessing the improbable comeback the Indiana Pacers pulled off in Game 1 against the Oklahoma City Thunder. Spencer German and Spencer Davies open up the latest episode of Courtside with the Cavs on SI, reflecting on the epic opening stanza of the series and why it feels like Indiana is a team of destiny.

Soon enough, the conversation turns toward the Cavaliers, as the guys wonder how far off they are from the two NBA Finals foes. The Wine and Gold may have to make some changes to get there.

Then, the guys discuss a new hypothetical trade idea that centers around Darius Garland heading to the Chicago Bulls with Coby White as the key piece of the return package to Cleveland. Would he even be a fit? And what else would need to be included for scuh a deal to be completed?

Finally, with Jordan Ott taking the Phoenix Suns head coaching job, the Cavaliers coaching staff is in flux at the moment. What does that mean for the Cavs moving forward and are more changes coming?

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